Yo La Tengo is somehow already in the
midst of its 25th year as a band, and has retained its gift for
songcraft far better than most anyone who hits that milestone. The Hoboken, N.J., trio's
Popular Songsslightly nostalgic about the highs (getting props from Lou Reed) and
lows (inadvertently recording a track with George Bush) of the YLT
Paste: Have "popular songs"
as we know them become obsolete?
Ira Kaplan: I love this question.
There are a lot of reasons that the title appealed to us. I'm not
sure we've even thought about the reasons it seems to resonate. A lot
of times we just do something that seems right without trying to
delve too deeply into why it seems right. I think that's a question
for 2009. I remember being in a cab in England, and hearing the cab
driver, who was quite a bit older than we are, listening to pop
radio. There was a presenter who was very appealing to listen to and
the things he was saying in between songs were very entertaining, but
the music that came on, it was just the hits of the day. I was
thinking at the time that that's what happens when there are still
only a limited number of radio stations. It was the case in England.
Everybody, all the generations, are going to be listening to the same
music. That was the experience I had growing up. Obviously, not the
Paste: The mangled cassette on the
album cover hints at that bygone era?
Kaplan: We just loved the image of the
cassette [in Dario Robleto's At War With the Entropy of Nature/Ghosts
Don't Always Want to Come Back] so much that we used it, even though
it was a little more explicit than we had intended it to be. We liked
this ground up bone turned into this outdated music format. It just
seemed to go with the title Popular Songs.
Paste: A busted-up MP3 would have been difficult.
Kaplan: Scientists are hard at work at
Paste: Why did you decide to close the
album with three awesomely-long songs adding up to more than 36
Kaplan: Well, it just kinda seemed to fit together in our
mind. I don't think it's coincidental that we haven't done it before.
The last record had three long songs, but they were spread throughout
the record. There was just something about just watching it all
explode at the end. It did seem to flow to us. It goes into questions
of pacing. We thought that "More Stars Than There Are In Heaven"
seemed like a culmination of things. Then "The Fireside"
seemed like a coda, and then all hell breaks loose.
Paste: When you opened for Wilco at
Coney Island's Keyspan Park in Brooklyn this summer, some of the "dad
rock" fans were complaining about the droning.
Kaplan: I'm sure
that a baseball stadium isn't the optimum place to be introduced to
music you haven't heard before. Perhaps if those people had the record
they might respond differently. Or not. It was a great experience.
Running in and out of the dugout, I guess we didn't quite run, to
access our stage was a pretty hilarious feeling.
Paste: What does 25 years of Yo La
Tengo mean to you?
Kaplan: I feel good about it. We're not anxious to
make a gigantic deal about it. If we wanted that secret, I think we
might have had some ability to make it a secret. I think some of the
things we've done, like the Hanukkah shows, like the [New York
independent radio station] WFMU appearances during their marathon, I
think that certain aspects of tradition appeal to us. The idea of
noting that it's 25 years...it's a long time.
Paste: How many
times do you think you've been to [Hoboken, N.J., venue]
Kaplan: Oh man, I could not... Well, let's see, 25 years,
that goes back to a period when I was still working there. So at that
point, it wasn't quite a seven-night-a-week venue the way it was now.
But even then it was three or four nights a week when I was working.
That's something that I've never thought of counting. Things like how
many records you have, and how many movies have you seen, those are
lists that lots of people keep at certain points in their lives. I
never counted, I never tabulated how many times I'd gone to
Maxwell's. I'd given up my concert list by the time I started
Paste: What's the story behind the song Yo La Tengo
wrote for a NASCAR ad?
Kaplan: When we were asked to do it, we
figured, why not? Actually, we found out why not. We had accepted it,
and they sent us the mock-up of the ad to inspire us or just to know
what we were dealing with. I watched it and then suggested to Georgia
that maybe she should watch it. She was watching it on her computer,
and I was listening without watching. I realized only then that the
voice at the end of the commercial saying, "Gentlemen, start your
engines," was George Bush. That was pretty upsetting. We've
collaborated with a lot of people over the years, but he was never on
our wish list. I spoke to the person at Matador who was the
intermediary, and he said they hadn't cleared George Bush's
participation yet. They ultimately didn't clear his participation,
and as far as we know they never showed the commercial. It was a
crazy experience. I think most NASCAR fans when they think music,
they tend to gravitate towards us.
Paste:list, do you know Lou Reed?
Kaplan: I don't know him well. Actually, a
year ago, two South By Southwests ago, we were down there and he was
the keynote speaker. There was an event in which people would perform
his songs that we participated in. We did "I Heard Her Call My
Name" and "She's My Best Friend." He was there and it
was obvious. While we were playing, I really concentrated on not
looking around. I tend not to do it anyway, but I really knew that
looking around was gonna be a disaster. If he was watching us, it
would really throw me. If he wasn't watching, that would suck. I did
what I do, and we finished. We had three shows that day so we just
packed everything up and were ready to leave as soon as we had to. He
came up to us and said how much he enjoyed it and complimented my
guitar solo, and I was like, "Wow, thank you." Nice
Paste: What are your best and worst tour pairings
from the past 25 years?
Kaplan:best, it's hard to top the Johnny Cash shows. That was '94, I guess.
He had put out the first American Recordings record. This isn't my
story, this is James'; we did three shows with him. At some point
James looked in the wings and there were Johnny and June watching us,
and holding onto his bass was not too easy.
Paste: When are Condo Fucks fans across
the country gonna get their fix?
Kaplan: We've done a couple of
shows. We've done two since the record came out. We did one in New
Orleans and we did one in Boston. It's really fun to do. I'm sure
we'll do it again. It's just wanting to make it special. We just want
to find the right time. They're fun shows to do, for sure. Somebody
was trying to get us to come and do that after a show in Durham. We
had to say that's not going to happen. That's not the way we unwind
after a long show. I'm sure there'll be a moment for it somewhere.