Natalie Bergman Lets the Sunshine In

The Los Angeles singer-songwriter spoke with Paste about the continued role of faith in her music, the splendors of new motherhood, and the coterie of players she brushed shoulders with on her second album, My Home Is Not In This World.

Natalie Bergman Lets the Sunshine In
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Natalie Bergman straddles a razor’s edge in her music: Her new album, My Home Is Not In This World, is august in tribute and euphoric in execution. She summons the work of her totems—Motown hit-makers, dusty, dollar-bin bottom-dwellers, and the enclave of hedonistic, gold-tongued singers that warped Hollywood 60 years ago—often but never recedes too deep into the retro. And her talents are a paradox. Some of those rhythms, at once spacious, ecstatic, and full of gospel, sound out of time; but the riffs that sugar her sun-bleached soprano voice also bite into a songcraft that is timeless.

The bluesy vibrancy of her old band Wild Belle, which she formed with her brother Elliot, was traded in four years ago for an intentionally curated closet of monochrome garments, soul injections, and visual aesthetics to match. But the presentation of Natalie Bergman is no less splendid. “I love color, and I think color is so important,” she says. “And, obviously, we view the world in color. But I think, sometimes, color can be distracting. It helps you focus on the image and the music when you’re watching something in black and white.” She takes a moment for herself, before citing Mark Rothko’s famous palette: “He has muted colors but then he uses insane reds and oranges and he’s conveying a deep sadness and darkness. Color can be overwhelming to me.”

Bergman, a Chicago native in Glendale who’s called LA County home now for some 15 years, puts all of herself into her art. Cliché as that may be, she is a woman being pulled towards two cities always. “There’s Orioles here [in LA] that are so yellow,” she celebrates. “We’ve got these cool, red-whiskered bulbuls.” Listen to her 2021 solo debut Mercy or the very good Keep Those Teardrops from Falling EP that came shortly after and you’ll find glimpses of a green paradise that spans 2,500 miles (“I want to go outside, tell the trees that I love them; open my eyes, see the children in the garden dancing underneath the sunshine,” she releases on “My Home Is Not In This World”). Bergman owns some wooded property just outside of Chicago, and Elliot built a studio there, under a canopy of oak trees filled with songbirds. “It’s beautiful to work out there,” she says. “You feel isolated, it’s very quiet.” She and Elliot have another studio in Cypress Park near the Los Angeles River too, which she lovingly calls a “clubhouse.”

Musicians came and went while the siblings worked on My Home Is Not In This World, including drummer Homer Steinweiss, bassist Nick Movshon, and pianist Neal Francis, whom Bergman holds in high regard: “He’s kind of the closest thing we have to Billy Preston, or maybe even Stevie Wonder. He has that musicality and he’s got a soulfulness.” Mercy, which came out at the dawn of summer four years ago, was an insular body of work. Bergman missed collaborating and wanted her next effort to capture a lively, energetic soundtrack without borders. She spent half of 2024 in Chicago and half of 2024 in Los Angeles. While stationed in Second City, Bergman’s friend Doc McKinney, an “old-school punk rocker from the Midwest” she met through Columbia Records during her Wild Belle years, lent some bass playing to My Home Is Not In This World and co-wrote “You Can Have Me” with her. “He sold his publishing and peaced out to Brazil,” she recalls. “And en route to Brazil, he was like, ‘Can I post up at your place for a few days?’ So he came over, and we had a spiritual weekend in the woods. McKinney, according to her, is leaving the music industry, which she calls “beautiful and frightening.” “It’s been such a home for him for so many years, and now he’s realizing, ‘You know what? I need to focus on my family,’” she elaborates. “He’s just such a remarkable person.”

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Steinweiss and Movshon eventually migrated with the Bergmans to New York City, where they all put further touches on the songs. “We took this record all over North America,” Natalie admits. But it was the climate and agriculture and wilderness of Chicago’s outskirts that hitched Bergman into focus, because she puts a great deal of importance on sharing her first home with her son, Arthur. She drafts an image of her space there for me, shouting out the “snappers and tree frogs and toads and salamanders and herons and otters.” “For him to experience those and call them his friends, that’s one of the most important things in the world to me,” she says, “because all of those animals were my friends growing up.”

While it’s true that the swelling, lush dimensions of My Home Is Not In This World are all over the map, the sound is unified by one part: her voice. Bergman, who first tinkered with storytelling by rewriting other people’s songs when she was little, calls herself an “analog journaler” now, referring to her many “notebooks with scribbles and drawings and lyrics” that she later weaves into songs. “I sometimes will have a moment in the middle of the night, where something comes to me and then I get so excited about it and I have to write it down,” she says. “Then, the next morning, it takes on a life of its own, just from a little seed.”

Bergman isn’t a stranger to the classic songwriting exercise of picking up an acoustic guitar and massaging the germ of an idea in the studio. But she thinks of her style as mostly unconventional, as she builds the architecture of a track before even considering or crafting a vocal. It’s a method that’s proved problematic recently, at an acoustic performance in May. “I stripped all of the imagined parts until it was just me and the guitar,” she recounts. “I realized that, some of the time, it can hurt you, because you’re writing these elaborate string arrangements and then, when you take those away, you don’t always have a complete song.” She made it through the My Home Is Not In This World material she’d prepared, but “wouldn’t always recommend writing that way.” “The power of songwriting,” she contends, “really comes from the song itself.”

MUCH OF BERGMAN’S WORK has been colored by loss: 19 years ago, her mother Susan passed away from a bout with brain cancer; she made Mercy after her father and stepmother were killed by a drunk driver in 2019; her aunt, the late Anne Heche, died in 2022 after a string of auto collisions. But My Home Is Not In This World comes with a different caveat: the birth of her son Arthur, whom Bergman sings of often on the record: “Look at your smile, you came to me at the very right time.” She says, “Some people have told me, now that Arthur is here and he is alive, that it’s my father living on through him. People always try to be helpful in their condolences in a positive way, and that’s so kind. Sometimes I’m like, ‘You don’t have to be hopeful when there’s loss.’ You can divide the two things, life and death, and they’re both very much important things in life—and it’s the beginning of life and it’s the end of life. I think they should be celebrated independently of each other.”

Five years ago, Bergman fled to a New Mexico monastery to write Mercy. She filled the album with worship vernacular, faith-driven details, and mentions of Jesus Christ, and the practice of speaking to God through her art remains a tenet. “My will, my faith, and my belief in God have always been an integral part of my work,” she says. “Even in my Wild Belle days, or just as a young songwriter, I’ve always used God as a compass or even a tool to find lyrics, melody, or purpose.” She argues that, when you begin writing a song, with or without God in the room, you have to have some sort of faith present. “You either have faith in yourself, or you have faith in the subject that you’re writing about, or you have faith in the instrumentals that you’re composing. That’s the first step of writing a song, believing in something, believing in yourself, believing in God. I have to ask God to come into the room with me every time I begin writing, because I need the backup. I need the assistance. When you bring God into the room with you, I’m able to channel more emotions and more truth. I find that the songs end up being more honest.”

The risk with Mercy, Bergman tells me, was obvious: The music was not only specific to her loss and her grieving process, but whether or not anyone liked it was nobody else’s business—not even her own. She lost much of the world she knew and titled songs “Your Love Is My Shelter,” “He Will Lift You Up Higher,” and “Talk to the Lord” soon after, swinging for the comfort of scripture during a period of her unrelenting aloneness. “I wrote this whole body of work, and then my brother and some of my friends were like, ‘Dude, what the fuck are you doing? You’re singing about Jesus, you might get crucified out there. You’ve never done something like this.’ I really didn’t care,” she admits. “For the first time in my entire life, I had no care or worry about what the hell anybody else would think about my work.”

But, of course, life and death are as connected as faith and lack thereof. Bergman was able to write Mercy because of death and she was able to write My Home Is Not In This World because of life. They are albums, as she puts it, “inspired by those inevitabilites.” She didn’t process her father’s death in a quiet way, however, and found herself quickly wrapped in burnout. “I think that was the first time I had a writer’s block. I always thought that it was a little bit of a cop-out, to say you have writer’s block,” she says. “You can’t wait for the inspiration to come to you, you have to just practice being inspired.” Still, after finishing the tour for Mercy, Bergman took a hiatus and eventually got sober. Then, she met her husband Andreas, gave birth to Arthur, and “made a beautiful life together,” just the three of them. “I was like, ‘Oh, my goodness, now I actually have something to sing about. I have a newfound joy in music.’”

Mercy, one of the most significant overtly Christian albums of the last 10 years, opened the door for Bergman’s greatest search for healing. My Home Is Not In This World is not explicitly a political album. It stills the clatter of grief with tranquil quests of love—love viewed through the lens of motherhood. I ask Bergman if she has found herself reckoning with how to be honest about cruelty and injustice in her work—if not for her, then for Arthur and the surroundings he’ll eventually grow up in. “All the time, every day I think about the world that I would like my child to live in,” she tells me. “The political climate right now is very scary. The fires in Los Angeles were really traumatic for many people. We’re not getting out of Gaza, we’re continuing to deplete their resources and kill children and innocent people. There’s so much trouble in this world, and you want to help the greater cause. You want to help the community in the ways that you can.”

She has daydreamed about leaving Los Angeles and finding a remote place for her and her family, where she can grow a garden and never have to drive a car. “There’s an ideal world that you would live in, but that’s not actually the reality of things. We are a part of this world, and the world is hurting. How can we be in the world and try to make a positive impact on our community and our neighbors, our family?” She tells me about the joy of bearing witness to Arthur’s goodness, saying, “He’s so kind and loving to his neighbors, and I get to play a part in educating him and teaching him how to love. He already knows how to love, it’s so inherent in him.” Bergman pauses. “You don’t really have control over who the person becomes. They are their own person, but you can shape them and you can teach them how to care for the earth and care for the community. That’s been a rewarding part of motherhood, trying to encourage him to be the example of a human being that I would like everybody to be. You want people to be kind and reasonable and good and well-natured, including yourself.”

BERGMAN HAS ALWAYS WORN her influences proudly: Motown, Daptone, Bob Dylan, blues, praise music. But before My Home Is Not In This World, she claims to have never resonated or identified with the artists so explicitly pinching the pop hits of yore. “Retro music—trying to recreate something retro—has always been a little bit cheesy to me,” she admits, before suggesting she’s had a change of heart. “This time, I was like, ‘Well, this is the music that I love—this music that I grew up listening to.’ There’s a lot of contemporary elements on this record, but I did go for it in the vintage, analog world. I just said, ‘I’m going to abandon any of my pre-judgements on people creating retro music. I said, ‘Okay, fuck it. I love this style of music and I’m going to go for it. I don’t need to judge myself.’ If anything, you need to love yourself so you can do all of the things that you want to do musically.” Tracks like “Gunslinger” and “Lonely Road” pull from a lineage cast in dust by Stax Records; “Stop, Please Don’t Go” boasts harmonies that are totally Bee Gees; a sentimentality swirls in the piano chords and scatting during “You Can Have Me.”

“Gunslinger,” which was written 12 years ago with the same rhythm section spread across all of My Home Is Not In This World, details Bergman’s psyche in a relationship that has long been over—at a time when she was “partying too much.” “It stirs up a little drama in the family household when you sing about another man,” she tells me, laughing. “But it was fun to go back to that place, because I was 12 years younger and sometimes you can just make these worlds when you’re writing songs and you can go into them and you can revisit old memories.” And a song like “Dance,” which smushes a Sam & Dave-honoring rhythm section into a flush of hypnagogic pop, is a portal of its own strange kind. Heartstrings are tugged at by “Song For Arthur”’s flute medley, and the hip-swinging, “feeling blue”-R&B cheer of “I’ll Be Your Number One” is among the most contagious grooves concocted by anyone this year. So it makes sense that My Home Is Not In This World was made on an Ampex tape machine and later dubbed onto tape. You can feel it in every syllable, in every psalm. The sensual wash of “shine on me” orchestrations unfurling throughout “Looking For You” potently argues that timelessness vibrates in all languages, especially in the company of Natalie Bergman’s gifts.

But it’s “California” that is, in Bergman’s words, like a hallelujah or an amen. The melancholy wanes into wonder in My Home Is Not In This World‘s final breath and, as if reciting a prayer, she affirms her listener: “All your troubles will fall away, and forever you’ll be young and free.” Bergman likens the song to Curtis Mayfield’s “People Get Ready,” saying that she was inspired by “the journey to your heavenly home” and her journey to California more than a decade ago. “I remember coming here and feeling inspired,” she says. “I had big, wide-open eyes. I was ready to do things and see things and write music and find a community here. That was almost 15 years ago.” Where does Bergman’s “California” rank among its namesakes? “‘California’ by Joni Mitchell, that’s definitely my favorite California,” she says, confidently. “I would say the Red Hot Chili Peppers’ ‘Californication’ is not my favorite version, and mine is somewhere in the middle.”

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Matt Mitchell is Paste’s music editor, reporting from their home in Los Angeles.

 
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