Watch Glenn Greenwald, Daniel Cay Johnston Debate the Implications of the Mueller Report

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists Glenn Greenwald and Daniel Cay Johnston participated in a debate on the online news show Democracy Now! on the implications of the Mueller report for the president, the press and the American political landscape. It’s essential viewing for anyone trying to process the fallout of the report—or lack thereof.

During the debate, which was hosted by journalist Amy Goodman, Greenwald argues that the Mueller investigation was a serious political disaster, and was exacerbated by reckless and damaging coverage on behalf of the press that could stain the news media’s reputation for years to come. Johnston, on the other hand, defends the investigation and the coverage surrounding it, arguing that there are still many stones left unturned and that we need more details of the report before we can jump to any conclusions. The debate is often contentious, but it ultimately succeeds in illuminating some of the lessons and paths forward that we can take from this nearly two-year investigation.

Greenwald is best-known for his role in publishing details of the United States’ and United Kingdom’s global surveillance programs based on the classified documents released by Edward Snowden in 2013. He has written several books, including A Tragic Legacy and No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State, and currently serves as an editor for The Intercept, which he founded with Laura Poitras and Jeremy Scahill in 2013.