Charles Grodin’s Talk Show Genius: Five Must-Watch Interviews with Carson, Letterman, and More
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When Charles Grodin died earlier this week at the age of 86, he left behind decades of wonderfully deadpan comic performances in film and TV, as well as eight books published between 1989 and 2013. He’s also rightfully remembered as perhaps the best talk show guest of all time, thanks to a long series of hilarious interviews with Johnny Carson and David Letterman. Grodin’s interviews were a curmudgeonly send-up of talk show convention, mocking the fatuousness of canned stories, predictable jokes, and that weird thing where the guest and host act like old friends even when they clearly have never met before. If you didn’t know better you’d think Grodin was simply being an asshole, but given he made dozens of appearances with both Carson and Letterman, it was clear they were all on the same page, no matter how ugly the interview might’ve looked. Here are some of our favorite examples of Grodin’s deconstruction of the talk show interview—including one genuinely confrontational interview from late in his career on one of Sean Hannity’s Fox shows.
The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson
Year: 1989
In 1989 Grodin published his first book, the comic memoir It Would Be So Nice If You Weren’t Here: My Journey Through Show Business. One of his 36 guest appearances on Johnny Carson’s The Tonight Show came during the book tour, where the two immediately started bickering over which one of them is mean to the other. This interview is full of the jokingly passive aggressive digs the two always took at each other, with Grodin playing it all so bone dry that you could be excused for thinking there was real animus between the two. Grodin accusing Carson of not actually caring about his guests or what they have to say was a recurring motif of his talk show appearances, and really, the main driving idea behind them.